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[misscuex]

Originally Posted by Braver

Yeah, hey thanks for the tips. I'll keep that in mind when I am dating Juniorette.

I am sure such a girl exists. Do you know that somewhere, right now a girl is sleeping, wearing white (or pink or light blue) pyjamas, or maybe she is sitting in front of her PC right now, or maybe she is reading a book or something, and that this girl is my future wife?

I don't know her yet, she doesn't know me yet, and yet we live under the same heaven, on the same earth. I keep on doing my things everyday, and she does too.

What a thought. A person, somewhere, who I will spend the rest of my life with.

Originally Posted by Braver

And I wonder, if when I meet her face-to-face, whether I can recognize that person as she with whom I shall spend the rest of my life with?

Can she recognize me in return?

What would be the first word, or sentence, I will say to her? Or her to me? What will she be doing, I be doing, when we first meet?

Where? What will prompt us to talk to each other?

This world is a great place.

Originally Posted by Braver

I know that the God who sees everything, as from above, sees me and her every single moment, doing our things, walking our winding paths. And perhaps at certain moments when our paths almost cross (but not yet), God would smile a bit.

This life is too wonderful for me. It is inexpressible.

braver curhat

mantap2.. semangat2..

[Braver]

Kalo gua pribadi, begitu gua tau bahwa "bukan siapa siapa" itu bohong, gua akan mulai mencari cara atau alasan buat putus.

[-ViOn-]

Originally Posted by Braver

I have a rule very easy to apply:

"If what she says does not match up with what she does, or how things really are, dump her."

This rule has never failed me before.

Bagaimana jika berbohongnya karena terpaksa gitu?
White lie or something like that?
Bukankah akan selalu ada "pengampunan" bagi perbuatan tanpa niat buruk yang disalahartikan karena menggunakan cara yang salah?
Terkadang kita kan terjebak di dalam sikondom geto...

Originally Posted by Braver

Yeah, hey thanks for the tips. I'll keep that in mind when I am dating Juniorette.

I am sure such a girl exists. Do you know that somewhere, right now a girl is sleeping, wearing white (or pink or light blue) pyjamas, or maybe she is sitting in front of her PC right now, or maybe she is reading a book or something, and that this girl is my future wife?

I don't know her yet, she doesn't know me yet, and yet we live under the same heaven, on the same earth. I keep on doing my things everyday, and she does too.

What a thought. A person, somewhere, who I will spend the rest of my life with.

And I wonder, if when I meet her face-to-face, whether I can recognize that person as she with whom I shall spend the rest of my life with?

Can she recognize me in return?

What would be the first word, or sentence, I will say to her? Or her to me? What will she be doing, I be doing, when we first meet?

Where? What will prompt us to talk to each other?

This world is a great place.

I know that the God who sees everything, as from above, sees me and her every single moment, doing our things, walking our winding paths. And perhaps at certain moments when our paths almost cross (but not yet), God would smile a bit.

This life is too wonderful for me. It is inexpressible.

When I was taking my lunch earlier today, what was she doing? Where? What did she have for lunch? Was she taking a lunch break at an office? Or at home? Where?

When I was talking to my grandma earlier today, what was she doing? Where? Was she doing her work, perhaps, or in a class?

Did we pass each other unknowingly today? Was it when I was driving to my friend's place earlier this evening?

When I was light-hearted, what was she feeling at that moment? When I was upset, what was she feeling at that moment? Where? Doing what? What did she look like?

I am certain that if I can see all these like a spirit, I would touch her face everytime, and think "this is my wife".

Braver bisa romantis juga yah...
Classic but touching...I like these words
But the most important thing of all is to stop asking, just let these sentences become your mindset in searching for "the right one", and start doing something to get what you want

[Braver]

Kenapa bisa terjebak dalam situasi in the first place? Something is wrong with her.

If it's clean, it's clean.

Only if something is wrong, would there be need for lies.

[-ViOn-]

White lies semacam gak mau kasih tau masalah keluarganya yang gak setuju dengan hubungan kalian karena gak mau sakitin hati lu misalnya?

[Braver]

No. Off she goes.

Sebelum pacaran gua udah akan kasih tau sejelas-jelasnya dulu.

Kalau dia bisa menutupi sesuatu, berarti bisa menutupi hal lain.

Of course, bisa aja sebenarnya semua cewek selalu menutupi sesuatu, hanya kita ga pernah tau.

Well in that case, I am not really sure. I have never given any thought about it.

What would you do Benodhi?

And might it be that girls always have something to hide from their boys? I am asking this question to any girl in this Forum.

Yang gua masih pegang cuman prinsip, kalo dia bisa menutupi sesuatu (whatever it is, is irrelevant), then dia bisa menutupi hal hal lain. Yang jadi masalah utama bukan hal yang ditutupi itu, tapi tindakan menutupi itu masalah utamanya.

[yumi.yummy]

@ braver : repot juga punya pacar kyk lu, kadang2 ada bbrp hal yg ga penting untuk dibicarain/dikasi tau/ga perlu tau krn ga penting

jadi klo seandainya lu tanya ke cewe lu "hari ini ngapain aja?"
trus si cewe mesti jawab dari A-Z gitu?? trus klo misalnya dalam A-Z itu dia ke kamar mandi hrs diceritain juga gitu?? klo ga cerita namanya menutupi??

trus klo misalnya ortu cewe lu terlibat hutang, dan klo dia ga menceritakan nya ke lu, apa itu berarti menutupi??

pernah ga lu berpikir, itu demi menjaga perasaan lu, biar lu ga terbebani or something like that.

kyknya tipe lu tipe possesive juga, semuanya harus buka2an

klo cewe lu ga mau ngasi tau paswors FB, YM etc berarti lu bakaln cr alasan buat mutusin, krn udah menutupi gitu??

namanya org pacaran tuh harus saling percaya...

[-ViOn-]

Originally Posted by Braver

What would you do Benodhi?

Gue hanya akan liat apa alasannya dia melakukan itu
Sama seperti orang yang membunuh (tindakan) karena hendak melindungi dirinya (alasan dari tindakan)
Ketika gue lihat bahwa alasannya memang logis dan memang seperti itu adanya , yah, gue maklumin
Lagipula, white lies bagaimanapun juga bukan hal yang mudah untuk dilakukan
Dia sudah cukup dibebani dan gue gak mau menambahkan bebannya dengan memutuskan dia karena white lies itu (hasil akhirnya yah terserah dia mau ikutin kata bonyoknya atau pertahanin hubungan sama gue)
Dan andaikan suatu saat nanti gue tau bahwa gue dibohongin...for me...it's just another lesson for me to be a smarter and stronger man
And...you know what, I never really trust people
Jadi kalo memang gue dibohongin, yah gue gak akan merasa kaget ataupun sakit lagi, cukup putuskan apa yang harus gue lakukan dan gue harus move on
Cukup sekali aja dalam hidup gue pernah merasa putus asa setelah putus karena milih orang yang kurang tepat
Jika orang itu gak bisa bersama dengan gue karena dari faktor2 dalam dirinya sendiri berarti memang dia gak pantas untuk gue, that's it, period, selse, dan sekian dah

Originally Posted by Braver

And might it be that girls always have something to hide from their boys? I am asking this question to any girl in this Forum.

Jadi menurut lu, gak boleh ada secret sedikitpun?
Termasuk seperti penghasilan, password2, atau dkk geto?
Atau sekedar secret about their background aja?

[yumi.yummy]

benodhi, kau memang maduku

[Braver]

Wah ga lah.

Justru gua ga pernah cek SMS, isi telepon, password, atau apapun.

Dari dulu gua pacaran gua selalu izinkan cewek gua jalan ama sapa aja. Mau jalan berdua ama cowok juga bole.

Ga lah, ngapain lapor A sampai Z? Gua mana ada waktu dengerin semua isi kegiatannya apa aja selama satu hari penuh?

Maksud gua menekankan kejujuran dan keterbukaan. I very rarely ask, but when I ask, I expect full disclosure, total honesty.

[Braver]

If I don't ask, and she doesn't tell, that's not keeping a secret.

But if I ask, she has to tell with full disclosure and total honesty. I accept nothing less.

And I very very rarely ask.

[-ViOn-]

Originally Posted by yumi.yummy

benodhi, kau memang maduku

Ah, itu kan sudah sejak pertama kali kita bertemu

[yumi.yummy]

Originally Posted by Braver

Wah ga lah.

Justru gua ga pernah cek SMS, isi telepon, password, atau apapun.

Dari dulu gua pacaran gua selalu izinkan cewek gua jalan ama sapa aja. Mau jalan berdua ama cowok juga bole.

Ga lah, ngapain lapor A sampai Z? Gua mana ada waktu dengerin semua isi kegiatannya apa aja selama satu hari penuh?

klo gitu gw ralat gw bahagia klo punya pacar kyk lu...

tp klo misalnya cewe lu kebalikannya braver gmn?? dia suka ngecek hp lu, ym, fb etc gmn?? lu bersedia melakukannya ga?? tp dia org yang jujur banget (as your wish)

Maksud gua menekankan kejujuran dan keterbukaan. I very rarely ask, but when I ask, I expect full disclosure, total honesty.

oh gitu bagus2

[yumi.yummy]

anggap aja cewe lu cemburuan abis....

[-ViOn-]

Originally Posted by Braver

Wah ga lah.

Justru gua ga pernah cek SMS, isi telepon, password, atau apapun.

Dari dulu gua pacaran gua selalu izinkan cewek gua jalan ama sapa aja. Mau jalan berdua ama cowok juga bole.

Ga lah, ngapain lapor A sampai Z? Gua mana ada waktu dengerin semua isi kegiatannya apa aja selama satu hari penuh?

Maksud gua menekankan kejujuran dan keterbukaan. I very rarely ask, but when I ask, I expect full disclosure, total honesty.

If I don't ask, and she doesn't tell, that's not keeping a secret.

But if I ask, she has to tell with full disclosure and total honesty. I accept nothing less.

And I very very rarely ask.

Well, memang seperti itu yang kita inginkan
Tapi yah, kembali lagi, andaikan jika dia berbohong, kita harus tau apa alasannya
Dari pengakuannya, kurang lebih kita bisa tau apakah alasannya cukup logis (setidaknya kita bisa berpikir ulang apakah dia cukup pantas untuk dipertahankan lah)
Gue sendiri juga tipe orang yang memberikan batas 3 kali melakukan kesalahan yang sama
Kalo udah lebih dari 3 kali, bisa kita lihat bahwa memang dia gak pantas buat kita, gak ada usahanya sama sekali untuk memperbaiki diri, terbuka atau apapun juga lah namanya untuk mempertahankan hubungannya dengan kita
Untuk apa kita mempertahankan orang yang tidak mau berusaha untuk perjuangkan hubungannya dengan kita?
Mungkin memang ada niatnya untuk mencintai, tapi kalo gak ada komitmen dan usaha mah sama aja bohong

@yummy : kalo gue sih bersedia tuh kayak begitu
Bersedia banget, karena gue juga tipe yang ekstrovert banget
Dijamin semua orang yang deket sama gue tau 90% isi kepala gue dan apa yang terjadi kepada gue
10%nya itu urusan gue dengan diri gue aja