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Jiggysaw
August 06, 2003, 05:56
Ini baca deh... gwe ambil dari www.reuters.com

Setelah baca... kasih pendapat deh.. menurut lo semua gimana nih?


U.S. Episcopal Church Backs First Openly Gay Bishop
Tue August 5, 2003 09:26 PM ET

By Sarah Tippit
MINNEAPOLIS (Reuters) - U.S. Episcopalian bishops voted on Tuesday to install the church's first openly gay bishop, triggering a protest by conservative opponents who have threatened to split the global Anglican denomination.

After an 11th-hour delay on Monday prompted by allegations of sexual misconduct against New Hampshire bishop-elect Gene Robinson, church leaders cleared him and 62 of the 107 bishops voted to approve his election. Forty-five voted against.

Conservative Anglicans, representing more than one-quarter of the global 77-million-member denomination, issued a statement expressing regret at Robinson's installation and signed by church leaders from Southeast Asia, Africa and Latin America and followers from England, India and elsewhere.

"We expect that primates of the Communion will be meeting soon to consider what action to take. Dioceses and parishes in the United States who wish to remain loyal to the Anglican Communion will also be considering their position in the coming weeks," the statement from a group called the Anglican Mainstream said.

Several conservative bishops and delegates retired to a church across from the convention center and said they would plot strategy.

Thanking his supporters and pledging to work toward reconciliation, Robinson told reporters, "I am proud to be in a church which works to be a safe place for all of God's children."

The allegations that delayed Monday's vote by the bishops -- the last of three hurdles to Robinson's confirmation -- focused on a Vermont parishioner's charge that Robinson had sexually harassed him during a conference a few years ago.

Questions also arose about whether Robinson, a 56-year-old divorced father of two, bore responsibility for the pornographic links to a Web site for a group for troubled teen-agers he helped found.

"In both allegations it is my conclusion that there is no necessity to pursue further investigation and no reason on these grounds to prevent bishops of jurisdiction from going forward with their voting," Massachusetts Bishop Gordon Scruton, who led the inquiry, told the bishops.

TOUCHING NONSEXUAL

Scruton said after an interview with parishioner David Lewis that his description of the touching showed it was nonsexual and he declined to press his case.

As to the Web site for the group Outright, it was created four years after Robinson left the group.

New York Bishop Mark Sisk earlier described people attending the convention as suffering a combination of "shock, surprise and befuddlement" at the allegations.

Rev. David Anderson, head of the conservative American Anglican Council and a Robinson opponent, denied any last-minute conspiracy to undermine Robinson's candidacy.

Conservatives in the 2.3-million-member U.S. church have threatened a split over either Robinson's installation or another proposal to allow clergy to bless same-sex marriages.

The rift also extends to divisions within the 77-million-member Anglican Communion, which led to last month's withdrawal in Britain of gay Canon Jeffrey John as bishop.

Several bishops spoke in support of Robinson, with Thomas Shaw of Massachusetts declaring that his consecration would bring in new, youthful members: "We have here a wonderful evangelistic tool to strengthen the life of the church."

Others spoke of the impact on the wider church, and about the authority of the Bible in the matter of homosexuality.

"We have been and are willing to remain in dialogue and communion with you so long as you are willing to remain with us. However if you break from the rest of the Anglican Communion we will not follow you," Florida Bishop John Howe said.

Rarely has the church's general convention rejected an elected bishop, with only nine candidates failing to gain approval since the 18th century, the last in 1934.

Church liberals have questioned the seriousness of the threats of a schism, noting conservatives failed to follow through after objecting to the mid-1970s decision to ordain women.


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chrans
August 06, 2003, 06:04
tinggal tunggu aja yg bi..........:D

charcoal
August 06, 2003, 06:31
Originally posted by Jiggysaw
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U.S. Episcopal Church Backs First Openly Gay Bishop
Tue August 5, 2003 09:26 PM ET

By Sarah Tippit
MINNEAPOLIS (Reuters) - U.S. Episcopalian bishops voted on Tuesday to install the church's first openly gay bishop, triggering a protest by conservative opponents who have threatened to split the global Anglican denomination.

After an 11th-hour delay on Monday prompted by allegations of sexual misconduct against New Hampshire bishop-elect Gene Robinson, church leaders cleared him and 62 of the 107 bishops voted to approve his election. Forty-five voted against.

Conservative Anglicans, representing more than one-quarter of the global 77-million-member denomination, issued a statement expressing regret at Robinson's installation and signed by church leaders from Southeast Asia, Africa and Latin America and followers from England, India and elsewhere.

"We expect that primates of the Communion will be meeting soon to consider what action to take. Dioceses and parishes in the United States who wish to remain loyal to the Anglican Communion will also be considering their position in the coming weeks," the statement from a group called the Anglican Mainstream said.

Several conservative bishops and delegates retired to a church across from the convention center and said they would plot strategy.

Thanking his supporters and pledging to work toward reconciliation, Robinson told reporters, "I am proud to be in a church which works to be a safe place for all of God's children."

The allegations that delayed Monday's vote by the bishops -- the last of three hurdles to Robinson's confirmation -- focused on a Vermont parishioner's charge that Robinson had sexually harassed him during a conference a few years ago.

Questions also arose about whether Robinson, a 56-year-old divorced father of two, bore responsibility for the pornographic links to a Web site for a group for troubled teen-agers he helped found.

"In both allegations it is my conclusion that there is no necessity to pursue further investigation and no reason on these grounds to prevent bishops of jurisdiction from going forward with their voting," Massachusetts Bishop Gordon Scruton, who led the inquiry, told the bishops.

TOUCHING NONSEXUAL

Scruton said after an interview with parishioner David Lewis that his description of the touching showed it was nonsexual and he declined to press his case.

As to the Web site for the group Outright, it was created four years after Robinson left the group.

New York Bishop Mark Sisk earlier described people attending the convention as suffering a combination of "shock, surprise and befuddlement" at the allegations.

Rev. David Anderson, head of the conservative American Anglican Council and a Robinson opponent, denied any last-minute conspiracy to undermine Robinson's candidacy.

Conservatives in the 2.3-million-member U.S. church have threatened a split over either Robinson's installation or another proposal to allow clergy to bless same-sex marriages.

The rift also extends to divisions within the 77-million-member Anglican Communion, which led to last month's withdrawal in Britain of gay Canon Jeffrey John as bishop.

Several bishops spoke in support of Robinson, with Thomas Shaw of Massachusetts declaring that his consecration would bring in new, youthful members: "We have here a wonderful evangelistic tool to strengthen the life of the church."

Others spoke of the impact on the wider church, and about the authority of the Bible in the matter of homosexuality.

"We have been and are willing to remain in dialogue and communion with you so long as you are willing to remain with us. However if you break from the rest of the Anglican Communion we will not follow you," Florida Bishop John Howe said.

Rarely has the church's general convention rejected an elected bishop, with only nine candidates failing to gain approval since the 18th century, the last in 1934.

Church liberals have questioned the seriousness of the threats of a schism, noting conservatives failed to follow through after objecting to the mid-1970s decision to ordain women.


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http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=KDEDSC4R4VTCMCRBAE0CF EY?type=topNews&storyID=3226190


tobat tobat
Dia bakalan turun tangan deh.....
ck ck ck
gereja bakalan pecah
sigh~
dunia.....makin ganas

Bastian78
August 06, 2003, 07:37
Kalo gue sih daripada kebakaran jenggot sendiri, gue mau coba cari tau gimana sih cara pikir dan cara pandang mereka. Kalo bisa diskusi sama mereka.......

i would if i could..............(tapi lewat mana ya :hehe)

charcoal
August 06, 2003, 08:21
Originally posted by Bastian78
Kalo gue sih daripada kebakaran jenggot sendiri, gue mau coba cari tau gimana sih cara pikir dan cara pandang mereka. Kalo bisa diskusi sama mereka.......

i would if i could..............(tapi lewat mana ya :hehe)

diskusi? maksudnya?

monyetdufan
August 06, 2003, 09:48
Adapertanyaan2 besar di benak gue :

Apakah orientasi sex seorang pastur itu penting...??
Straight or Gay....does it matter..?? Seorang pastur tidak boleh melakukan hub sex stlh dia berjanji utk selibat..
Kenapa dia hrs mempublikasikan orientasi sex dia..??

Any answer for me ?????

kepikBIRU
August 06, 2003, 09:53
pastur yang harus selibat itu kan Katolik
I have no idea sih buat yang Anglican.

my comment ? gereja yang dibangun bukan dari Firman Tuhan tidak membawa orang pada pertobatan.

kepikBIRU
August 06, 2003, 09:55
I don't think bakalan lama sampai gereja Anglican pecah ... gereja2 Anglican yang di Asia, Afrika enggak bakalan menerima dengan alasan apapun :)

monyetdufan
August 06, 2003, 09:55
Originally posted by kepikBIRU
pastur yang harus selibat itu kan Katolik
I have no idea sih buat yang Anglican.

my comment ? gereja yang dibangun bukan dari Firman Tuhan tidak membawa orang pada pertobatan.

Oww...Angelican toh...sorry gue nggak baca detail bgt...
berarti beda....Thanks Pik...for the clarification....

qbiz
August 06, 2003, 10:02
Gene Robinson itu dari US Episcopal Church atau Anglican Church, yang berbeda dengan Catholic Orthodox, Anglican tidak mengharuskan celibacy dan mengizinkan pastor2nya untuk menikah.

Pemimpin tertinggi Gereja Anglikan adalah Uskup Canterbury.

Memang benar sekarang ada kedekatan hubungan antara Gereja Anglikan dan Katolik Roma, tetapi tidak berarti Anglikan sudah menjadi cabang Vatikan yang para pastornya selibat.

charcoal
August 06, 2003, 10:48
Originally posted by monyetdufan
Adapertanyaan2 besar di benak gue :

Apakah orientasi sex seorang pastur itu penting...??
Straight or Gay....does it matter..?? Seorang pastur tidak boleh melakukan hub sex stlh dia berjanji utk selibat..
Kenapa dia hrs mempublikasikan orientasi sex dia..??

Any answer for me ?????

hmm, di alkitab sendiri dibilank koq.

qbiz
August 06, 2003, 11:39
pernah denger kasus ROBERTS LIARDON?www.robertsliardon.org

yang bikin geger gara2 ngaku dia GAY sama junior pastornya?
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/liardon.html

kabarnya pelayanan & gereja & jemaat-nya jadi bubar semua

charcoal
August 06, 2003, 11:44
yap, pernah

kerangLaut
August 06, 2003, 12:03
hiks..hiks..kerang kan udah pernah buat thread similar dengan ini. disatuin dooooonnnnngggg::kawin::

Bastian78
August 06, 2003, 16:06
Originally posted by charcoal


diskusi? maksudnya?

diskusi ya maksudnya diskusi, kalau gue ada kesempatan ketemu orangnya dan para pendukungnya, gue pengen berdiskusi, pengen tanya-tanya apa sih yang jadi dasar pemikiran mereka, bla bla bla bla

itu kalau ada kesempatan ketemu.............

hansel
August 06, 2003, 18:04
Originally posted by kepikBIRU
I don't think bakalan lama sampai gereja Anglican pecah ... gereja2 Anglican yang di Asia, Afrika enggak bakalan menerima dengan alasan apapun :)

The Anglican Church emang bukan suatu ke1an seperti the Catholic Church.
Dinamakan Anglican community karena rootnya emang dari the Church of England. But setelah berdiri di negara masing-masing, sepertinya the Church of England gak punya authority atas established Churches in those countries.

Jiggysaw
August 06, 2003, 18:36
Originally posted by monyetdufan
Adapertanyaan2 besar di benak gue :

Apakah orientasi sex seorang pastur itu penting...??
Straight or Gay....does it matter..?? Seorang pastur tidak boleh melakukan hub sex stlh dia berjanji utk selibat..
Kenapa dia hrs mempublikasikan orientasi sex dia..??

Any answer for me ?????


hemm.. klo misalnya pastur nya aja udah ngga bener... begimana jemaat-jemaatnya donk? [???] ...

Sudah jelas-jelas tertulis di Alkitab yg dipakai oleh "pemimpin agama" klo sesama jenis itu dosa. Nah dia ini udah tau itu dosa ko masih? Malah masih mau jadi pemimpin agamanya lagi...

Nah itu gimana donk?.. Klo misalnya ada yg jadi jemaatnya apa itu gak bikin bingung?

:bingung: gwe aja bingung waktu pertama kali baca artikelnya..

Ada yg berpendapat lain?

qbiz
August 06, 2003, 22:51
ya nanti akan jadi gereja khusus kaum pemburit (yang suka buritan)

charcoal
August 07, 2003, 00:27
Originally posted by qbiz
ya nanti akan jadi gereja khusus kaum pemburit (yang suka buritan) buritan apaan si?

qbiz
August 07, 2003, 02:18
menurut kamus bahasa indonesia buritan=belakang

pemburit=kaum yg demen bagian belakang (pantat) :D

Jiggysaw
August 07, 2003, 02:27
hehehe.. gwe pikir tadinya Puritan... :hehe

oreo_bash
August 09, 2003, 11:09
pemimpin seperti pendeta, pastor dsb itu kan mustinya jadi alat pemersatu bukan mejadikan atau dijadikan alat pemecah belah.
Mungkin kalo statusnya masih jemaat gay masih tidak terlalu kompleks. Tapi kalo udah bicara posisi pemimpin, rasanya ada batasan standard & persyaratan yg lebih tinggi.
Ngga usah di dunia gereja, di dunia sekuler aja seorang pemimpin itu harus melalui seleksi yang ketat.

Jiggysaw
August 09, 2003, 11:36
Yap, setuju banget sama oreo.. :bravo:...

menurut pandangan gwe sih yah.. pemimpin itu kan harus jadi panutan / contoh... nah ini bagaimana dia bisa menjadi contoh yang baik, dan memenangkan jiwa-jiwa coba? ... apalagi kalo dianya ternyata bejad begitu... :bingung:

sikhasep
August 14, 2003, 10:32
Atau tidak tahukah kamu, bahwa orang-orang yang tidak adil tidak akan mendapat bagian dalam Kerajaan Allah? Janganlah sesat! Orang cabul, penyembah berhala, orang berzinah, banci, orang pemburit, (1 Korintus 6:9)
pencuri, orang kikir, pemabuk, pemfitnah dan penipu tidak akan mendapat bagian dalam Kerajaan Allah. (1 Korintus 6:10)

Jelas dan tak terbantahkan.... yang di bold hitam :bravo:

bobo
August 14, 2003, 11:25
pinter sikhasep nih .. *plok ...plok ...plok :D

Jiggysaw
August 15, 2003, 23:01
Wahhhhhhhhh... Sikhasep mendingan kasih U.S. Bishop itu lesss Alkitab dulu deee... :haha...

abisan udah jelas-jelas ngga bener gituh, ko ya masih dibiarin yah?.. :bingung: heran gwe...