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///M5
May 02, 2003, 05:36
Well, menurut loe lebih penting English atau Mandarin ???
Alo3^VoMo3rA^-
May 02, 2003, 19:24
englishhhhhhhhhh
mandarin sux bgt tulisanyah bisa mabok gw........ inget2 dulu chinese class gw fail melulu bt siaaaaa
capur_tulis
May 02, 2003, 19:31
gue masih mentingin english...
soalnya gue blon pernah belajar mandarin sih,..... :hehe :P
Saffran
May 03, 2003, 01:59
english...

knp? lebih banyak negara yang pake bahasa ini.. trus emang bener2 dah internasional banget..
fifiluZu
May 03, 2003, 02:49
well..i think it is depended on your goals...if you want to success in every kind of business or your goals..at least you should understand more than 5 language.

what i think is english is much more important rather than mandarin, because so many chinese in mainlanders ( chinese people in beijing, dalian, shanghai, guangdong, hongkong, tianjin,zhejiang, and small villages ) those people really in love with english , and they feel much more prouded when they can speak english.
because they thought the beijing olimpiade 2008 is coming soon,...so....chinese people think english is much more important rather than mandarin or others language.

anyway... what i think is english is most and is still the first class for international communication.

so....and but...if u want to do some business in china to indonesia...of course u should learn mandarin, or cantonese and the most important things is english but..ln fact so many chinese in here not too understand english language. maybe aftet 5 years latter the english chinese spoken is much more popular rather than mandarin.

and if u speak with some chinese in here, their english is much more better pronunciated rather than indonesian who had studied in state.
can u believe it?

prounciation mereka, cara ngomong mereka..bener bener persis seperti apa yg elo liat bule ngomong di TV ...because what..education materials in here more to high tech and easy to reachable.


well...i see my boss can speak 5 language, english, arabic, thai language, mandarin and a bit cantonese. well...


all is just depended on your goals. Kalo elo rencananya cuman mo tinggal di indo or tinggal di france...yah elo pelajarilah bahasa itu, but kalo elo ngga tingal di negara tersebut or berhubungan bisnis...so ...better forget it...or u just using your time without gain nothing.

so..wish i can help you with my opinion.
///M5
May 03, 2003, 03:48
Originally posted by fifiluZu
well..i think it is depended on your goals...if you want to success in every kind of business or your goals..at least you should understand more than 5 language.

what i think is english is much more important rather than mandarin, because so many chinese in mainlanders ( chinese people in beijing, dalian, shanghai, guangdong, hongkong, tianjin,zhejiang, and small villages ) those people really in love with english , and they feel much more prouded when they can speak english.
because they thought the beijing olimpiade 2008 is coming soon,...so....chinese people think english is much more important rather than mandarin or others language.

anyway... what i think is english is most and is still the first class for international communication.

so....and but...if u want to do some business in china to indonesia...of course u should learn mandarin, or cantonese and the most important things is english but..ln fact so many chinese in here not too understand english language. maybe aftet 5 years latter the english chinese spoken is much more popular rather than mandarin.

and if u speak with some chinese in here, their english is much more better pronunciated rather than indonesian who had studied in state.
can u believe it?

prounciation mereka, cara ngomong mereka..bener bener persis seperti apa yg elo liat bule ngomong di TV ...because what..education materials in here more to high tech and easy to reachable.


well...i see my boss can speak 5 language, english, arabic, thai language, mandarin and a bit cantonese. well...


all is just depended on your goals. Kalo elo rencananya cuman mo tinggal di indo or tinggal di france...yah elo pelajarilah bahasa itu, but kalo elo ngga tingal di negara tersebut or berhubungan bisnis...so ...better forget it...or u just using your time without gain nothing.

so..wish i can help you with my opinion.
agree:) :) :)
///M5
May 03, 2003, 03:53
Originally posted by Alo3^VoMo3rA^-
englishhhhhhhhhh
mandarin sux bgt tulisanyah bisa mabok gw........ inget2 dulu chinese class gw fail melulu bt siaaaaa
hehehe...
kita senasib boo!!!
si goblok
May 03, 2003, 04:20
sejauh ini saya sih vote english..
tapi mandarin eventually juga bakal sangat penting
tunggu sampe china udah bener2 ngeboom.. nah, there you go.. hehe
berhubung english udah dipake sebagai bahasa internasional selama ini.. so gimana pun english masih penting.. even in the future..
daydream
May 03, 2003, 05:46
English donk!!
Bangsa cina memang bertebaran di dunia tapi bahasanya juga dah beda beda. Di Hong Kong aja banyak yg ga ngerti Mandarin. Semuanya pake kantonis aja. juga di China Town nya San Fransisco, Vancouver atau Toronto.

Ga usah jauh jauh, gue ke KL aja semua dah pake kantonis :(
lighting_blue
May 03, 2003, 07:32
mandarin, coz sekarang tuh udah mulai era globalization

dimana mana alat pemersatu bukan hanya satu contohnya dolar mulai ditinggalin beraloih ke euro, begitu juga bahasa meski sekarang banyak english, mandarin tuh gak kalah penting, internationaliza too
ster
May 03, 2003, 12:49
english.. karena ini emang bahasa universal..
tapi gua juga belajar mandarin kok..
vielendank
May 03, 2003, 14:32
English... soalnya kalo mo ngelanjutin ke LN rata-rata butuh TOEFL/IELTS/GMAT/GRE dll...
armina
May 03, 2003, 15:35
english lah.... masah ke amrik ngomong mandarin? siapa yg ngerti kecuali cina juga? hehehehe :kakaka:
hansel
May 03, 2003, 22:00
Mandarin yg adalah ideographic language kayaknya bakalan sulit menyaingi English yg phonographic language.
Ideographic language characternya mewakili suatu ide, sedangkan phonographic language characternya mewakili suatu bunyi. Bakalan sulit untuk mempelajari seluruh character ideographic language considering vocabularynya makin lama makin berkembang.
aFTeRLiFe
May 03, 2003, 22:45
gue puyeng kalo belajar tulisan mandarin :D
shella
May 05, 2003, 07:19
jelas English lahhh... itu pan bahasa dunia
ainee
May 05, 2003, 11:00
Yup.......English lebih penting..... :p walaupun akhir2 ini banyak yg berniat belajar mandarin tapi tetap aja English is number one :hehe
YaGaMi
May 06, 2003, 07:36
Inggris deh... lebih mendunia...

kalo kaga bisa inggris yahh gambar aja... lebih mendunia lagi kan... masa orang ga ngerti gambaran.. ;D

oyah buat chinese language.. I prefer cantonese tho.... gw lebi suka denger/makainya dibanding mandarin or any other chinese language....
hansel
May 06, 2003, 22:46
Originally posted by YaGaMi
oyah buat chinese language.. I prefer cantonese tho.... gw lebi suka denger/makainya dibanding mandarin or any other chinese language....

Padahal Cantonese language itu kalo didengerin, kayak dengerin org lagi berantem. Gak tau deh kenapa! Di London sini sebagian besar Chinesenya Cantonese speaking. Kalo dengerin mereka ngubrul, pake tereak-tereak segala, kayak org lagi berantem.
YaGaMi
May 07, 2003, 07:24
kebanyakan denger mandarin kali, sel.... kalo dibandingin ama mandarin sih kedengeran betapa halusnya mandarin itu... :p

pada tau gak kenapa orang Malay lebih suka ngomong Cantonese dgn sesamanya? why not use Mandarin? why not Hokkien? gak karena banyak orang CHinese Malay yang orang Canton kan? i m sure there is something else...
ZEIN
May 07, 2003, 07:34
1. English.
2. Mandarin.
hansel
May 07, 2003, 22:06
Originally posted by YaGaMi
kebanyakan denger mandarin kali, sel.... kalo dibandingin ama mandarin sih kedengeran betapa halusnya mandarin itu... :p


Soalnya bo-nyok gue kalo di antara mereka sering bercakap-cakap in Mandarin.
Yuki Terai
May 08, 2003, 06:34
jelas Bahasa Mandarin ....
survey pun membuktikan kalo Bahasa yang paling banyak dipake di dunia itu BHS MANDARIN, pengguna bhs Inggris aja ga nyampe setengahnya .....
liat --> Most Widely Spoken Language
YaGaMi
May 08, 2003, 20:06
tapi kan orang2 caucasian banyak yg ga bisa mandarin... dan kalo dibandingin ama orang asian yang bisa inggris gw rasa lebih banyak yg bisa inggrisnya deh.... at least tau lah.. wat is dis... wer is det? etc etc...
Yuki Terai
May 09, 2003, 03:55
yah, mungkin saya terpengaruh ama keadaan saya yah, ga tau juga seh
lady_killer
May 09, 2003, 10:03
english lah. but I wish I could speak mandarin man!!!! gue kaga bisa mandarin bikin gue mati kutu!!! di vancouver banyakkk abisssssss chinese n hongkong. damn!!! I wish I could speak mandarin ;) abis cakep2 n :hot: sih :heartbeat
si goblok
May 20, 2003, 01:59
Originally posted by YaGaMi
kebanyakan denger mandarin kali, sel.... kalo dibandingin ama mandarin sih kedengeran betapa halusnya mandarin itu... :p

pada tau gak kenapa orang Malay lebih suka ngomong Cantonese dgn sesamanya? why not use Mandarin? why not Hokkien? gak karena banyak orang CHinese Malay yang orang Canton kan? i m sure there is something else...

ho oh.. mandarin itu jauh lebih halus dari cantonese deh..
menurut saya cantonese juga keras dan kasar banget kedengarannya.. kaya mo brantem.. hehe
kalo tentang orang malaysia suka ngomong cantonese ato mandarin.. itu tergantung daerahnya
daerah2 kaya malaysia timur misalnya sarawak ato sabah, banyakan sih mandarin
trus juga daerah2 johor (selatan dari msia barat).. ato yang utara kaya kedah gitu.. juga banyakan mandarin...
tapi yang dari kuala lumpur / kl dan ipoh.. nah itu rata2 cantonese..
yang dari sono biasanya mreka bisa cantonese tapi ga bisa mandarin
kalo bisa mandarin, itu juga karena mereka dari chinese school ato mungkin dilatih di rumah..
si goblok
May 20, 2003, 02:03
selain bahasa mandarin..
dialect chinese yang paling penting menurutku sih cantonese.. itu lebih sering dipake di mana2, mo di rumah, di luar, bisnis2 dll.. dialect2 laen.. paling dipake di rumah dalam keluarga dengan generasi2 yang lebih tua.. :hehe
YaGaMi
May 20, 2003, 14:58
blok,... hmmmm ga tau yeh.... tapi dr yang gw temuin disini biar orang malay, orang brunei... rata2 bisa Cantonese dan bisa 5 bahasa at least... cantonese mandarin hokkian hakka inggris n malay.... enak banget yahhh... ;D
dan mereka rata2 pakenya cantonese tuh kalo ngomong... makanya agak susah bedain org hongkie n malay... kecuali dr tampang mereka yg masi agak susah juga bedainnya.. :hehe
wanna_eat_u_up
June 03, 2003, 06:23
gw rasa sama pentingnya... kalo bisa kuasain 2 2 nya pasti kemana-mana gampang tuh..
sayang gw ngak ngerti mandarin ama sekali....
kalo bisa baca mandarin, kemungkinan bisa maen game jepang ya? soalnya, kanji ama mandarin karakter sangat dekat.
Ali
June 03, 2003, 17:29
English, karena bahasa Internasional.
skid28
June 19, 2003, 02:32
English of course... selama gue kerja, di 3 kantor, semuanya ngomong inggris...

Mandarin sih penting juga, terutama untuk kawasan Asia...
sanmei
June 19, 2003, 02:40
English

Mandarin penting juga u/kawasan Asia
skid28
June 19, 2003, 10:28
ironis gak sih ? kerja di indonesia, tapi di kantor wajib ngomong Inggris... ngomong Indo gak diladenin...

kalo di Jepang sono, gak peduli lu orang bule ato org apa, tuh orang jepang gak bakal mau ngomong inggris di negara mereka, mereka lebih prefer pake translator walaupun mereka sebenarnya ngerti inggris, bahkan di amerika aja mereka kek gitu, makanya gue salut ama orang jepang, mereka itu ultra nasionalis banget... bayangin malah bule2 yg musti belajar bahasa jepang...
YaGaMi
June 19, 2003, 21:38
kerja di kantor apa skid? emang rekan2 elo orang bule semua?
skid28
June 20, 2003, 02:34
skrg di kantor IT, rekan2 gue sih pada indo, tapi dari mid-level manager ke atas itu kebanyakan org India ama bule, tuh India padahal ngerti and sebagian bisa ngomong Indo loh, tapi mereka milih Inggris...

kalo perush pertama gue sih emang perush org American - Irish, yah lebih musti ngomong inggris lagi...
sapibintik
June 21, 2003, 04:40
Menurut gw, bahasa mandarin bakal sama pentingnya dng bahasa inggris. gw sebenarnya pingin juga sih belajar, tp kok di kuping gw bahasa mandarin kedengarannya berisik, jadi gak indah (mungkin tergantung siapa yg ngomong kali ya?). tapi gue suka banget liat huruf-hurufnya itu. ::mikir::
nomdo_tech
June 23, 2003, 06:26
English lah ... mandarin kan cuma region aja .. gak nge-global